So I was wondering...(Global Warming Thread)

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Re: So I was wondering...(Global Warming Thread)

Postby littlepeaks » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:16 pm

Mike, I am very skeptical of anything, where I am FORCED to take a certain course of action -- debate is squelched and there is no effort to reach a consensus. I believe that our Lord made the Earth a lot more robust than we give Him credit for. Wouldn't it be great if we were as serious about today's moral issues, as we are about global warming (sigh).

I found an interesting link, the Climate Debate Daily.

"Climate Debate Daily is intended to deepen our understanding of disputes over climate change and the human contribution to it. The site links to scientific articles, news stories, economic studies, polemics, historical articles, PR releases, editorials, feature commentaries, and blog entries. The main column on the left includes arguments and evidence generally in support of the IPCC position on the reality of signficant anthropogenic global warming. The right-hand column includes material skeptical of the IPCC position and the notion that anthropogenic global warming represents a genuine threat to humanity."

"Like Denis Dutton, Dr. Farrell is skeptical of the threat of anthropogenic global warming. But he also says, 'Let the best argument win.'"

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Re: So I was wondering...(Global Warming Thread)

Postby USAFA82 » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:00 pm

Thanks for that link, littlepeaks! It looks like an interesting site.

Here's part of a post I made on the "greenies" thread at WCG:
It's a nine minute interview that I found to be enlightening.
Climate Change - Has It Been Cancelled?
29 Apr, 2008 10:24 am
Professor Bob Carter from James Cook University in Queensland, talks to Nzone Tonight's Allan Lee about how ordinary people can try and find out the truth about Climate Change and global warming.

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Re: So I was wondering...(Global Warming Thread)

Postby USAFA82 » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:47 pm

Does anybody have cool new data I can post over at the "greenies" tread at WCG? I don't doubt the globe is warming. I just don't think it's man-made and am against the draconian taxes and laws that the socialists want to implement. They resent me using the word socialist... LoL.

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Re: So I was wondering...(Global Warming Thread)

Postby littlepeaks » Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:51 pm

Hi Mike :)

The problem with posting data refuting global warming, is that it has to be scientifically defensible, even though the data provided on the other side is often not. I have done a lot of reading on this subject -- I am going to provide you some sites to go to, that I've found the best, and you will need to do your own reading (sorry) and chose what you want to present, if anything.

The easiest "fact" to refute, is that there is consensus by scientists on global warming, and/or that global warming is man made. Go to The Global Warming Petition Project, which includes a petition, signed by over 31,000 degreed scientists, urging the United States government to reject the Kyoto Protocol. This site also contains a Summary of Peer-Reviewed Research on the subject, although it may not be completely up-to-date.

The second most useful site is a blog by Anthony Watts, Watts Up With That?. Watts is a meteorologist, who is currently involved in a project to document USHCN Weather Monitoring Sites in the United States. He produced an informative slideshow, entitled A Hands-On Study of Station Siting Issues from August, 2007, which I have posted on the "greenies" thread. One chart, which you may find of interest, shows the percentage of surface stations meeting certain error criteria. Two of the dominant themes in his blog are that siting issues are creating biased data, and that the NOAA data is being modified for reasons that may not be scientifically defensible. The data and stories presented on this site seem to be legitimate.

Another site containing information you may find useful is http://icecap.us/. However, if you use anything from this site, you need to check out the referenced sources, because sometimes the reporting of what is in the referenced article is skewed.

One of the bottom lines you should be aware of, is that all those who don't agree with the doomsday global-warming scenario, don't agree with each other either. Some of the opposing views are that global warming is a fact, but it is not caused by man or CO2, that global warming is a fact, but will benefit mankind, that the current warming cycle is nothing but the normal variation in the Earth's climate, and that the Earth is now cooling. As for me, although I consider myself a scientist (and I have one published peer-reviewed report for which I am the primary author), I am not a meteorologist, and do not have time to obtain and crunch the data. I must rely on the works and conclusions of others.

Hope this helps.

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Re: So I was wondering...(Global Warming Thread)

Postby littlepeaks » Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:01 pm

Here is a mob of snowmen protesting global warming.

Or maybe they're just protesting being unemployed???

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Re: So I was wondering...(Global Warming Thread)

Postby USAFA82 » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:11 pm

Great picture!

And thanks for the info above. I missed it the first time.

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Re: So I was wondering...(Global Warming Thread)

Postby Col323 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:04 pm

That's an awesome picture, lp! It reminds me of something Bill Watterson would draw Calvin doing.
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Re: So I was wondering...(Global Warming Thread)

Postby littlepeaks » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:53 pm

I think Calvin's snowmen were drawn in more sordid poses.
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Re: So I was wondering...(Global Warming Thread)

Postby littlepeaks » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:21 pm

FWIW, "Watts Up With That" just developed a world climate widget, that can be used in sidebars, or elsewhere. It is still undergoing some development, I believe. However, the widget will be updated daily (updates may be erratic while widget under development).

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To get the widget go to http://wattsupwiththat.com/widget/

I tried copying the html to the "code" utility from the button above (in the edit pane), but guess the code button isn't for html.

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Re: So I was wondering...(Global Warming Thread)

Postby USAFA82 » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:21 pm

Interesting. Thanks for posting that.


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